termitkoter Report post Posted November 18, 2014 Здравейте колеги, Установих, че имам проблем с дюзите. Мотора е 2.0 тди BMN двигател. Оплакванията са труден първи старт на мотора (пали като с ритник), грубо гаснене на колата и някакво гадно тресене на празен ход на колата. Демпфера е чисто нов няма как да е от него, Ако може някои да ме посъветва и препоръча сервиз, къде може да отида в София за да направят качествена диагностика на тези дюзи. Благодаря Предварително ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsdnikolov Report post Posted November 18, 2014 Тези симптоми защо ми напомнят на EGR и дросел. Но знае ли човек.Отиди да те закача на компютър и сравнете стойностите в Meas. Blocks cъс стандартните такива, за да се ориентираш къде са ти отклоненията и съответно проблемите:Display groups for 2.0l 4V TDI (BMN/BUY) in A3as at 18.12.06 001 Injection quantity Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speedAt idle: 790 ... 810 rpmAt full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Injection quantityAt idle: 3.0 ... 10.0 mg/strokeAt full throttle: 45 ... 75 mg/stroke 3) Specified duration of deliveryAt idle: 2 ... 9 °CAAt full throttle: 20 ... 30 °CA 4) Coolant temperature Less than 75°C: => Warm up engine 002 Idling speed Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speedAt idle: 790 ... 810 rpm At full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Accelerator pedal position At idle: 0 % At full throttle: 99...100 % 3) Operational status XXXX XXX1 AC ON4) Coolant temperature Less than 75°C => Warm up engine 003 Exhaust gas recirculation Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speedAt idle: 790 ... 810 rpm At full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Specified exhaust gas recirculation At idle: 180 ... 350 mg/stroke At full throttle: 900 ... 1300 mg/stroke 3) Actual exhaust gas recirculation At idle: 180 ... 350 mg/stroke At full throttle: 900 ... 1300 mg/stroke 4) EGR actuator activation At idle: 15...65 % At full throttle: 0 % Exhaust gas recirculation shuts off after approx. 2 min To activate: Press accelerator n > 1500 rpm 004 Activation of pump/nozzle unit piezo valves Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speedAt idle: 790 ... 810 rpmAt full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Specified commencement of injection At idle: 4.2 °b.TDC ... 5.2 ° aft.TDC At full throttle: 13 ... 25 °b.TDC 3) Specified duration of delivery At idle: 2 ... 9 °CA At full throttle: 20 ... 30 °CA 4) Rotation angle Idle/full throttle: -6 ... 6 °CA 005 Starting conditions Stored from last engine start 1) Engine speed 790 ... 810 rpm 2) Starting torque 0 Nm 3) Start synchronisation 001 Self-synchronisation camshaft active 002 Self-synchronisation crankshaft active 004 Engine running 008 Engine synchronisation validated 016 Engine synchronisation completed successfully 032 Self-synchronisation camshaft sensor successful 064 Self-synchronisation crankshaft sensor successful 128 First valid cog detected Interim values may also be displayed, composed of sums of the above single values. 4) Coolant temperature [°C] 006 Switch settings 1) Current road speed At least 40 - 80 km/h (at full throttle) 2) Pedal monitoring X X X X X X X 1 Brake light switch pressed X X X X X X 1 X Brake pedal switch pressed(redundant) X X X X X 1 X X Clutch pedal switch pressed X X X X 1 X X X CCS enabled X X X 1 X X X X ACC enabled X X 1 X X X X X Main switch pressed 0 0 X X X X X X ACC/CCS mode inactive 1 0 X X X X X X State overspill 0 1 X X X X X X ACC/CCS in control range 1 1 X X X X X X ACC/CCS not enabled 3) Accelerator pedal position [%] 4) CCS switch settings X - X X X X X 1 Locked ON X - X X X X 1 X Touched OFF X - X X X 1 X X Touch-Down, reduce X - X X 1 X X X Touch-Up, increase X - X 1 X X X X Set X - 1 X X X X X Resume 1 - X X X X X X Locked ON from hardware 007 Temperature senders 1) Fuel temperature Down to 95 °C 2) Vacant 3) Intake air temperature (intake manifold temperature) 5 ... 80 °C 4) Coolant temperature [°C] 008 Limiting torque 1 Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speedAt idle: 790 ... 810 rpmAt full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Requested torque (accelerator pedal) At idle: -5 ... 0 Nm At full throttle: 350 ... 450 Nm 3) Torque limitation At idle: 150 ... 300 Nm At full throttle: 350 ... 400 Nm 4) Smoke limitation At idle: 100 ... 230 Nm At full throttle: >= Torque limitation (see zone 3) 010 Air quantities Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Intake air mass At idle: 180 ... 350 mg/stroke At full throttle: 900 ... 1400 mg/stroke 2) Ambient air pressure (altitude and weather dependent) 900 ... 1100 mbar 3) Actual charge pressure (altitude and weather dependent) At idle: 900 ... 1150 mbar At full throttle: 2000 ... 2800 mbar 4) Accelerator pedal position At idle: 0 % At full throttle: 99...100 % Exhaust gas recirculation shuts off after approx. 2 min To activate: Press accelerator n > 1500 rpm 011 Charge pressure control Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speed At idle: 790 ... 810 rpmAt full throttle: 2800 ... 3200 rpm 2) Specified charge pressureAt idle: 900 ... 1150 mbarAt full throttle: 2100 ... 2400 mbar 3) Actual charge pressure (altitude and weather dependent) At idle: 900 ... 1150 mbar At full throttle: 2000 ... 2500 mbar 4) Charge pressure limitation duty cycle At idle: 40...95 % At full throttle: 15...95 % 012 Preheating system 1) Glow status 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Init. phase or run-on active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Waiting for ECO start request 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 Glow period 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 No glow 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 After-glow 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 No start glow 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 Intermediate glow 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 Readiness glow 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 Start glow 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 Waiting for after-glow 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 No after-glow 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 Waiting for intermediate glow 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 No glow 2) Glow period 3)Vehicle voltage 10 ... 15 V 4) Coolant temperature [°C] 013 Smooth running control Measured values at idle, coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Cylinder 1 injection quantity variation 2) Cylinder 2 injection quantity variation 3) Cylinder 3 injection quantity variation 4) Cylinder 4 injection quantity variation Injection quantity Permissible limits for from MVB 01/2 Idle smooth control injection quantity cyl.1-4 [mg/stroke] [mg/stroke] 5 -1.90...1,90 5,5 -2.09...2,09 6 -2.28...2,28 6,5 -2.47...2,47 7 -2.66...2,66 7,5 -2.85...2,85 8 -3.04...3,04 8,5 -3.23...3,23 9 -3.42...3,42 9,5 -3.61...3,61 10 -3.80...3,80 015 Fuel consumption Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speed At idle: 790 ... 810 rpm 2) Engine torque At idle: 25 ... 60 Nm 3) Fuel consumption [ltr/h] 4) Required injection quantity (accelerator pedal) [Nm] 016 Additional heater 1) Alternator load 5...100 % 2) Vacant 3) Vacant 4)Vehicle voltage 10 ... 15 V 017 Readiness code (EOBD) 1) CARB mode 01 DATA A X - - - 0 0 0 0 No fault messages stored 0 - - - X X X X MIL lamp OFF 1 - - - X X X X MIL lamp ON 2) CARB mode 01 DATA B - X X X - X X 1 Activation misfire detection (1 = present) - X X X - X 1 X Activation fuel system (1 = present) - X X X - 1 X X Activation complete system (1 = present) - X X 0 - X X X EOBD test misfire detection completed *) - X 0 X - X X X EOBD test fuel system completed - 0 X X - X X X EOBD test overall system completed 3) CARB mode 01 DATA C X X 1 - - - - - Activation lambda probe (1 = present) X 1 X - - - - - Activation lambda probe heating (1 = present) 1 X X - - - - - Activation EGR (1 = present) 4) CARB mode 01 DATA D X X 0 - - - - - EOBD test lambda probe completed *) X 0 X - - - - - EOBD test lambda probe heating completed *) 0 X X - - - - - EOBD test EGR completed *) Depending on equipment spec 018 Status of piezo valves 1) Cylinder 1 2) Cylinder 2 3) Cylinder 3 4) Cylinder 4 Key - cylinders 1 to 4: 000 Fault-free control 002 Closed-loop control at start 004 Small injection quantity or piezo valve off 008 Energy limits reached 016 Valve closing time (BIP) implausible 032 Piezo capacity implausible 064 Piezo energy implausible 128 No closing time identification (BIP) possible (poss. electrical fault in measuring channel) 023 Switching times of piezo valves 1) Cylinder 1 2) Cylinder 2 3) Cylinder 3 4) Cylinder 4 Values, cylinders 1 to 4: 0.18 ... 0.25 ms 028 Pedal sender 1) Accelerator pedal sender 1 Accelerator pos.: 0 % A 0.27 ... 0.89 V 100 % A 3.30 ... 4.74 V 2) Accelerator pedal sender 2 Accelerator pos.: 0 % A 0.14 ... 0.44 V 100 % A 1.65 ... 2.56 V 3) Operational status XXXX XXX1 AC ON4) Accelerator pedal position At idle: 0 % At full throttle: 99...100 % 040 Lambda probe lambda value Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speed At idle: 790 ... 810 rpm 2) Injection quantity At idle: 3 ... 10 mg/stroke 3) Status lambda probe heater XXXX XX01 Lambda probe heater not heating, or heating at reduced output XXXX XX10 Enable lambda probe heater 4)Lambda actual [-] 041 Electric EGR actuator 1 Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Specified position regulating flap 90...98 % 2) Specified position EGR actuatorr 15...65 % 3) Actual position EGR actuatorr 15...65 % 4) Duty cycle EGR actuatorr [%] 042 Electric EGR actuator / intake manifold flap Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Learned value EGR actuator (closed) 0.6 ... 1.2 V 2) Status EGR actuator adaption 0000 0000 3) Position regulating flap 90...98 % 4) Position EGR actuator 15...65 % 043 Charge pressure actuator Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Duty cycle charge pressure actuator 70...98 % 2) Position charge pressure actuator 80...98 % 3) Vacant 4) Vacant 044 Variable intake manifold / EGR cooler 2 Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Engine speed At idle: 790 ... 810 rpm 2) Intake air mass At idle: 180 ... 350 mg/stroke At full throttle: 900 ... 1400 mg/stroke 3) Status EGR cooler 0 EGR cooler active/on 1 EGR cooler not active/off 4) Intake manifold flap valve duty cycle 046 Electric regulating flap 1 (intake manifold flap) Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Specified position regulating flap 90...98 % 2) Charge pressure control specification 90...98 % 3) Position regulating flap 90...98 % 4) Duty cycle regulating flap 047 Electric regulating flap 2 (intake manifold flap) Coolant temperature min. 75°C: 1) Learned value regulating flap (closed) 0.4 ... 0.6 V 2) Learned value regulating flap (open) No data 3) Duty cycle regulating flap 4) Position regulating flap 90...98 % 051 Speed recording 1) Engine speed [rpm] 2) Camshaft speed Engine speed/2 rpm +-50 3) Start synchronisation 000 Basic initialisation 001 Reset counter 002 Engine standstill or fault 003 Transitional states 004 Plausibility check phase 005 Plausibility check phase 006 Plausibility check phase 008 Plausibility check phase 016 Phase definition 028 Redundant start 032 Synchronisation phase 033 System positioning 048 Calculation sequences activated 064 System waiting for engine standstill 128 Dynamic plausibility check 4) Injection sequence shut-off status No data 062 Engine cooling 3 1) Coolant temperature [°C] 2) Coolant - radiator outlet <= Channel 1 (coolant temperature) 3) Ambient temperature -20 ... 50 °C 4) Intake air temperature (intake manifold temperature) 5 ... 80 °C 063 Engine cooling 4 1) AC compressor refrigerant pressure AC OFF: 3 ... 8 bar AC ON: 5 ... 30 bar 2) AC compressor load torque AC OFF: 0 Nm AC ON: -30 ... -5 Nm 3) Coolant requirement [%] 4) AC compressor shut-off status 001 Vehicle starting off 002 OFF because starting off 004 Vehicle accelerating 008 OFF because accelerating 016 Shut-off because starting 064 Engine cooling 5 1) Coolant temperature [°C] 2) Coolant - radiator outlet <= Channel 1 (coolant temperature) 3) Fan 1 duty cycle Radiator fan OFF: 9...11 % Radiator fan ON: 11...100 % 4) Vacant 067 Particulate filter exhaust gas values 1 Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Temperature upstream of turbocharger > 690°C (after 10 seconds) 2) Temperature before particulate filter > 400°C (reached only 30 s after regeneration start) 3) Pressure difference over particulate filter No data 4) Offset differential pressure in overrun No data 068 Particulate filter exhaust gas values 2 Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Charge coefficient < 40% (at 40% regeneration starts) 2) Ash mass max. 60 g *) 3) Ash learned value No data 4) Vacant *) After replacing filter set axle mass with VAG tester to 0 069 Particulate filter regeneration status 1 Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Regeneration status 1 XXXX XXX1 Interruption of regeneration by overrun, high torque request or fast speed change 2) Vacant 3) Vacant 4) Regeneration status 4 XXXX XXX1 Normal thermal regeneration XXXX XX1X Enhanced thermal regeneration 070 Particulate filter regeneration status 1 Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Regeneration status 4 XXXX XXX1 Normal thermal regeneration XXXX XX1X Enhanced thermal regeneration 2) Total regeneration time (since last successful regeneration) 3) Regeneration counter (number of failed regenerations) max.4 4) Status successful regeneration 071 Particulate filter post-injection Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Engine speed <= 3000 rpm 2) Post-injection quantity > 10 mg/stroke 3) Commencement of delivery, post-injection [° bef./aft. TDC] 4) Duration of delivery, post-injection °CA 073 Particulate filter vehicle data Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Consumption since last regeneration [l] 2) Distance since last regeneration [km] 3) Time since last regeneration [h] 4) Vacant 074 Particulate filter exhaust gas values 3 Condition: v=const 50-60km/h,3rd gear, n<=3000 rpm A Values valid only during regeneration 1) Engine speed [rpm] 2) Temperature upstream of turbocharger > 690°C 3) Lambda value 1,0-2,0 4) Vacant 075 Particulate filter emission values 4 Engine idling, 20 seconds after cold start at room temperature 1) Temperature upstream of turbocharger > 100°C 2) Temperature before particulate filter 100°C > T > 60°C 3) Charge coefficient < 40% (as from 40% regeneration starts when driving) 4) Temperature after particulate filter 60°C > T > 20°C 090 EOBD exhaust gas recirculation 1 Condition: Engine idling,v=0km/h,no gear engaged. Handbrake applied 1) Engine speed [rpm] 2) Injection quantity 3 ... 9 mg/stroke 3) Specified exhaust gas recirculation 200 ... 380 mg/stroke 4) Status EGR control deviation 0000 0000 091 EOBD exhaust gas recirculation 2 Condition: Engine idling,v=0km/h,no gear engaged. Handbrake applied 1) EGR actuator permissible positive control deviation 128 2) EGR actuator permissible negative control deviation -128 3) Air mass specification Idle: 180...300 4) Control deviation 0 125 CAN bus communication 1 1) Gearbox control unit 2) ABS control unit 3) Dash panel insert control unit 4) Airbag control unit Each 1 bit: 0 = inactive 1 = active --- = not fitted 126 CAN bus communication 2 1) Air conditioner control unit 2) Vacant 3) Onboard power supply control unit 4) ACC control unit Each 1 bit: 0 = inactive 1 = active --- = not fitted 127 CAN bus communication 3 1) Four-wheel drive control unit 2) Adaptive suspension control unit 3) Vacant 4) Steering column module control unit Each 1 bit: 0 = inactive 1 = active --- = not fitted 128 CAN bus communication 4 1) Gateway control unit 2) Battery energy management control unit 3) Vacant 4) Vacant Each 1 bit: 0 = inactive 1 = active --- = not fitted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
termitkoter Report post Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Благодаря ти за инфото. Може ли да ми препорачаш сервиз в София, къде може да ми свършат работа кадърни хора, защото разбирачи и хора които искат само да ти вземат пари има много. Като цяло доста често излиза на компютъра задрасттен ДПФ филтер. Пускаме му регенерация и след една смяна на масло (10 000км) пак илиза че е запушен. Дросела и него го отварчм профилактично. Адки гадна чернилка се затлачва точно на клапата като мн твърд пластелин и се чисто мн трудно, Идва от тръбата от към ЕГРа.. Но като цяло вибрациите и трептенията са на моменти.. Но влезе ли доста разтриса колата и пали буквално като трактор. Edited November 18, 2014 by Moonland ЦИТИРАНЕ НА ПРЕДХОДНО МНЕНИЕ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsdnikolov Report post Posted November 18, 2014 За сервиз, не бих могъл да ти препоръчам. Рядко давам на някой да пипа по колите ми и задължително го гледам в ръцете. В това отношение съм отвратителен клиент. Но бих могъл да ти препоръчам диагностик. Аз лично съм впечатлен от него, как за 5 мин. разбра, че е променян софтуера на двигателя, за да се скрият проблемите. Но, той не пипа колите, само им прави диагностика. За ремонта си търсиш сервиз. Даже отказа да ми налее оригиналния соф, въпреки че имаше щялото оборудване.Ако решиш да се обърнеш към него: 0878555158 - Ники Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
termitkoter Report post Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Благодаря ти много за информацията. Ще се свържа с човека и ще видим какво ще излезе според него. Edited November 18, 2014 by Moonland ЦИТИРАНЕ НА ПРЕДХОДНО МНЕНИЕ!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
